The Gate 15 Interview – ENCRYPTION, part 2. A conversation with Elizabeth Nolan Brown and Jessica Dickinson Goodman: Encryption, privacy and why good intentions aren’t good enough. Plus Sunshine, Cincinnati & Community Radio

July 22, 2024

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In this episode of The Gate 15 Interview, Andy Jabbour talks with Reason Magazine’s Elizabeth Nolan Brown and Jessica Dickinson Goodman in part two of our two-part series on encryption. Jessica and Gate 15 are members of the Global Encryption Coalition.

  • Elizabeth Nolan Brown. Senior Editor, Reason; President, Feminists for Liberty. Elizabeth Nolan Brown is a senior editor at Reason and the author of Reason‘s biweekly Sex & Tech newsletter, which covers issues surrounding sex, technology, bodily autonomy, law, and online culture. She is also co-founder of the libertarian feminist group Feminists for Liberty, and a professional affiliate of the journalism program at the University of Cincinnati. Brown has covered a broad range of political and cultural topics since starting at Reason in 2014, with special emphasis on the politics, policy, and legal issues surrounding sex, speech, tech, justice, reproductive freedom, and women’s rights. She lives in Cincinnati, Ohio, with her husband, sons, and two cats. Andy is a big fan of her cat and family pictures. Read here complete bio at Reason.
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  • Jessica Dickinson Goodman. Jessica Dickinson Goodman is the current chair of the Chapter Seeding Committee of the San Francisco Bay Area ISOC Chapter and past-President, serving in that role for three years. As Board President, encryption protection and education played a major role in her agenda. She ran a monthly tactical tech support webinar series for community members in how to use encryption tools to protect personal privacy in a post-Dobbs world, wrote and published Encryption for Babies, is featured on the front page of the Global Encryption Coalition’s YouTube channel talking about encryption. 

In the discussion Liz, Jessica, and Andy discuss:

  • Liz and Jessica’s backgrounds.
  • Encryption 101 and why is it important. 
  • What led you to join the Global Encryption Coalition.
  • Liz’s journalistic background covering sex, tech, privacy and related matters at Reason.
  • Are we too paranoid? 
  • Law enforcement & legislation & breaking encryption.
  • STOP CSAM, the EARN IT Act and Section 230.
  • Protecting children vs. protecting privacy or protecting children and protecting privacy.
  • Recommendations for law enforcement and legislators.
  • Three Questions!
  • And more.

Selected links:

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